(START HERE) Gene Odening interview, Part 1 – “The TRIVIUM Method” – #049 (+ video)

Posted on October 25, 2009 by TriviumEducation 8 Comments

Gnostic Media’s 1 Year anniversary show!

Tonight’s show is an important one. Without it, it’s hard to build on the information presented in the other shows. Here we begin to learn about learning, logic, critical thinking, Hegelian dialectics, Plato, the Trivium, the Quadrivium, the 7 liberal arts, and many other facets of human cognizance.

My guest is Gene Odening.
This is the story of the 3 successive stages of the “Philosophic Life” which almost all of us live. Some of us live it consciously, others, not so much.
Gene’s story is one of good fortune. Early in adolescence he was given the tools to recognize and to pursue the Philosophic Life, which he undertook to do, not as a vocation but as a serious hobbyist. This is part of what the talk is about, defining those tools and following time-tested ways of applying them.
Gene lived through the first part, the Stage of Preparing For Life, in a fashion which the ancient Vedic Sages called: “Learning by grazing through the fields of the Brahma (the Creator God), in sobriety, and with a guru”. He even had his own guru! He graduated from this stage in a less than sober state. At age 18 . . . He ingested the Eucharist in fact, rather than only in effigy, and had his Crown Chakra opened. That is, he had his mind blown on large doses of LSD.
When he was 20 years old, he began the second part, the Stage of Receiving From Life. This is when he began his vocational career and started his family life. Life was good. He and his wife traveled many parts of the English speaking world scouring the libraries in particular; she reading her beloved fiction; he in the reference and antiquarian sections. His quest was to find out what Money was. Money is a very elusive thing. As ghostly as it is, it takes up much of our life’s time and energy. By happenstance, in pursuit of its secrets, almost all other known topics come into view for a closer examination, including Philosophy, a treasure beyond measure.
As he reached the age of about 56, he had the realization that he was now in the final stage, the Stage of Giving Back To Life. This is when one should properly become the elder advisor, not ‘offering’ advise, but giving of it freely when asked. It is also the time of beginning one’s journey through mentality. This is the time of: “Examining a life which has been worth living”, as the Greek sage Socrates counceled.

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  • Robert Paquette says:

    First of all, I’d like to thank you for sharing this learning system. I think it’s very interesting and exciting.

    But, secondly, I’d like to call you out on your use of a straw man argument to dismiss people who believe in Jesus because of the witness of, as you said: “one book”. The bible (which means books), regardless of which version (or perversion) you may be referencing, is comprised of more than one book. Most protestant bibles contain 66 (a curious number) books; the Tyndale, 74 books; and the catholick (spelling on purpose) 73 books. All of the books in the Old Testament section prophesy of and or display types and shadows of the Messiah to come. All of the books in the New Testament testify that Jesus (actually Yeshua) fulfilled those prophesies. Whether or not you believe the testimony of the 66, 74, or 73 books, is irrelevant to me. But, that you violated the straw man principle which you taught me, is what I dislike. Now, I will not, as they say, throw out the baby with the bath water, and dismiss everything you say, thereby being guilty of an Ad Hominem Tu Quoque fallacy – again, thanks to you.

    Keep up the good work, and thanks again.


  • Michael says:

    fascinating STUFF,

  • Barry says:

    I would add to Paquette’s point that not only is the Bible made up of multiple books, but that those books are also written by multiple authors from different nations, different time periods and who spoke different languages. Despite the varying and seemingly uncoordinated viewpoints with distance between them in location and time the varying accounts taken together present a theme consistent enough to be considered as one viewpoint, or “one book” as you put it.

  • Attila Lendvai says:

    “I’d like to call you out on your use of a straw man [...] The bible [...] is comprised of more than one book.”

    why does that matter? the idea is the same: something is true because it’s written somewhere, in one, or in 66 books, doesn’t matter.

    “But, that you violated the straw man principle [...] I will not [...] dismiss everything you say, thereby being guilty of an Ad Hominem Tu Quoque fallacy”

    no, that’s a fallacy fallacy: dismissing an entire position as false because the opponent has made a logical fallacy in one of his arguments.

    an ad hominem would be you saying that he’s wrong about god because he stinks.

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  • Robert Hass says:

    Paquette and Barry – Here’s why the argument regarding logic fallacy in support of the Bible is actually a logical fallacy in your argument – your understanding and acceptance of the Bible as “Truth” or the “word of God” is based entirely on “FAITH” – there is no irrefutable, concrete evidence that proves the Bible to be the “TRUTH”. That’s not to say that the Bible is not the “Truth” or the “word of God” – but, it’s all based on one’s faith to believe the Bile to be the truth – there;s no way to prove that. Faith is NOT reason i.e. reason is the employment of logic in the application of critical thought/questioning. Even though I believe our ability to reason is a gift from God reason still does not and cannot prove the Bible to be truth – although I have faith that it is the truth – with a grain of salt. God Bless

  • Robert Hass says:

    I might add – my understanding of God is a force of goodness, that some of us call God, that exists in opposition to evil and intervenes in life to that end i.e. to push back against evil using us as the weapon. Evil is created via the misapplication of our ability to reason. I have no idea what form this force of goodness takes – whether it be a supreme-being, a supreme-intelligence, extraterrestrial, extra-dimensional, or… ? I just don’t know I do know that a force of evil exists so, therefore a force of goodness exists and I am on its side. From my research of the history of the Bible’s existence, I’ve discovered that during the dark-ages the Bible went missing for 400 years (est). It’s hard to believe that the Bible has not been man-ipulated, by men with the desire to control mankind. The modern Bible mostly used in the western world is called the King James Version – question: how many versions of the truth is there – or can there possibly be? I tend to use the Bible to learn how to navigate life to act on the side of that force of goodness. If I first and foremost live to do no harm to another I will be rewarded in the end with some sort of further existence – if that’s possible. The only thing that I see that the Bible proves is that there is a force of goodness that many of us call God – and that force of goodness is most powerful – all about knowledge and exists everywhere.

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